Boss denies 25-year veteran employee’s fully prepared PTO request, blocking their vacation despite having plenty of accrued time off

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  • Frustrated middle-aged man sitting at a desk with a laptop and paperwork, rubbing his eyes while holding his glasses in a bright office.
  • Is it reasonable for me to be upset that my vacation request was denied

    I have worked for the same company in different departments for the last 25+ years. Because of my tenure, I am able to accrue up to 260 hours of PTO a year.
  • ..we are allowed to carry over 200 hours per year. In my previous departments, vacation was not particularly difficult to get approved.
  • Every now and then, if multiple people in the department had requested off before you did, it might get denied, but for the most part they really tried to make it work.
  • I transferred to a new department a couple of years ago for a better work life balance (little did I know).
  • Since then, I have managed to have a total of 56 hours of vacation time approved.
  • The longest stretch was for 48 hours over a year ago and the only reason I was able to get that was because I agreed to work up to 2 hours per day while I was gone to make sure things didn't pile up too much.
  • Stressed middle-aged man sitting at a desk with a laptop and paperwork, holding his head while talking on the phone in an office.
  • Since then I have developed systems that have made things significantly more organized and easier for someone else to step in if necessary.
  • My ultimate goal is too have everything set up so that when I retire, or di, someone will be able to move into my position pretty seamlessly.
  • I recently put in for vacation time, admittedly, it was for an extended period of time (56 hours), however, I jumped through all the hoops.
  • completed all ongoing projects, emailed everyone involved, had systems in place that would distribute any new quick turnaround tasks across 6 other individuals who would be involved even if I was in office, this just adds one additional task per request to their day, and stated that I would complete any contracts and take over client follow-ups upon my return.
  • It is highly unlikely that there would be any new projects coming in that I would not be able to complete before leaving, so they would only be dealing with urgent requests that were initiated after my departure.
  • My vacation was still denied. They did offer to let me take 24 hours, but the opportunity I was presented with could not be amended and if I booked a shortened version of the trip, it would be almost double the price and I would be spending two days of my vacation driving.
  • ..which, for such a short time off, isn't a vacation . . . at least not to me.
  • I am at my wits' end. I am exhausted, my health is suffering, and I honestly don't know what to do.
  • Part of me wants to just find another job, but I do like what I do.
  • I just don't know how to navigate this and I am wondering if I am being completely unreasonable with my request.
  • All thoughts, opinions, and suggestions are appreciated.
  • semiotics_rekt this is interesting. you have 25 years of loyalty; moved easily between departments. improve the workflow where you are at to the extent that you have already divided up your work among the team to minimize disruption. of course your manager denies your leave. sorry to say this but you may have turned into a corporate doormat. don't ask for 56 hours (7 days???) give them notice immediately the days you will not be in and take your birthday trip in 3 weeks. go search "veronika" vid
  • HopeSpringsEternal25 Original Poster's Reply I would love to do that (love. Veronika), but out employee handbook specifically states that manager do not have to approve vacation days and if I were.to not come in for 3 days, that would be considered job abandonment and I would be ineligible for rehire and unemployment. I have been scanning job boards. . . may need to polish up my resume
  • anakmoon Start applying now you may have a new, better job lined up in time for your trip and just give a start day for when you're back!
  • HopeSpringsEternal25 Original Poster's Reply I am planning to update my resume tonight. I did a quick scan of openings in my area last night, so hopefully I will have a new opportunity very soon.
  • Just-Brilliant-7815 How far in advance are you requesting your PTO?
  • HopeSpringsEternal25 Original Poster's Reply The first request I put in for 2 days last Fall that was also denied was submitted just shy of 4 months in advance. This one was submitted much closer. . .only 3 weeks in advance. I had an opportunity for a trip fall into my lap that also happened to coincidence with my birthday, so I gave it a shot. The process for making a request is so stressful, that they have basically trained me not to even ask. That is why I lined everything up so my work was c
  • IntrovertsRule99 56 hours is not an extended vacation. If you can't use your PTO completely each year then it's not really a benefit. I would be having a serious discussion with whoever approves my vacation and if a solution can't be found then I would be looking for a new job.
  • Night_Mare001 Meet with your manager and ask them to explain the rationale behind the denial and then reiterate that you have earned the necessary PTO and in fact have earned more than enough time if they continue to deny your request, then you need to escalate this issue to HR.
  • ArmedSparrow A serious conversation is needed. I never "ask" permission to use my vacation. I'm simply giving them notice I will be on PTO. Obviously, I take into consideration when I'm requesting time off and if it seems like multiple people might request the same time off, I discuss it with my manager before submitting my request. However, any employer forcing you to work during your time off or requiring you to change your time off in fear your work might pile up needs a reality. check.
  • OldBroad1964 You need to meet with your manager and lay this out for them. Then go to HR with documentation. A department that cannot function without one employee for 2 weeks is non- functional. I think you need to look at other jobs. The company will freak out at having to pay for all those unused vacation hours.
  • MethodMaven I think you need to pursue FMLA for exhaustion. This will give you breathing room to start your job search. If your employer denies your request for a medically documented condition (like exhaustion, extreme stress, depre son, anxiety), you can pursue legal action either privately or via your State's DOL. Either way, document, document, document. Especially the number of PTO they owe you; in many States, employers are required to cash out PTO hours.
  • knucklebone2 You are not being unreasonable at all and 56 hours is not "extended" time off. As someone else mentioned, I think the issue is "asking". Plan your 2 or 3 or 4 week vacation and let them know with sufficient notice so they can plan coverage, then go. Escalate the issue all the way up the chain if need be. If the business is such that it falls apart if you are gone more than 3 days in a row, you are in an amazingly strong position to demand what you want. I'd ask for a raise while I'm
  • ContributionHuge4980 If you company allows you to accrue that much time, they need to allow for you to take it as well or cash you out every year.

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